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ok, so how rich is the pope since you know? you "seem" to know an awfull lot, but keep getting information confused with speculation...

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It may not be rich persé. Fact is the vatican has been losing money over the past couple of years. Bút that does not mean that they dont gét a lot of money. In 2004 it got more than 100 million dollars of donations and appartment rentings. That they manage to spend more, only shows that they are not contributing to the problems in Africa. Perhaps they could stop buying art, making churches like gold (thank god for the protestants :)) and do something with the money. The artical (in dutch, so sorry gotenks, i dont know how much of help it can be http://www.planet.nl/planet/show/id=510 ... /sc=672aed) also states that the employees of the Vatican dont need to worry about their salaries, that is being controlled by the Bank of the Vatican, wich bursts with money. Im sorry gotenks, but wouldnt it be wiser to decrease their salaries, and stop letting them shout denigrating stuff about homosexuals and let those people be? Or is that too much too ask for our so beloved pope?

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1. just to note, i'm about as liberal as they come...
2. i'm basically methodist... my wife was raised catholic but doesn't really consider that any more

that was just for refrence
... the catholic religion has the right to deem anything they wish unapropriate, they can also excomunicate you if you choose to break their rules... Their people should get paid... they run primarily on donations and income from their museums... and run a church of more then 1 billion people.
their total revenues in 2001 was 173.5 million, their expenditures were 176 million (which inclues EVERY sallary of every minister, and all property rentals etc in the world), just for refrence, the GDP of the Netherlands is $461.4 billion
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1,2 i kinda figured that
@the rest, well i dó have economics in school but we all use dutch words like BBP and BNP. So let me just translate GDP a little bit and then ill get back to it. But dont you think its kinda odd for a church to have expenditures of 176 million dollars? I mean, w0t do they spend it on? The maintenance costs of a lot of churches are being covered by the local councils. If they'd simply decrease the income of the top cardinals and stop spending some much money on buying jewlery etc that they would have perhaps got expenditures of about 100 million dollar.
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what's it cost to maintain these ,
and wouldn't that be better off spent on world health?
or this
What does the Queen earn?
The Queen receives an annual net income of €746,000 from the State. She also receives an allowance to cover the costs of royal household and domestic staff and other official expenses, which include expenditure on the Royal Archives, office running costs and overheads.
The allocations for 2003 are:
Staff costs: €1,446,000
Other expenses: €1,774,000
total = 3,966,000 euro/year


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damn this started as a funneh post, u guys are toooooooooooooooo serious :lol:
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Nail wrote:what's it cost to maintain these ,
and wouldn't that be better off spent on world health?
or this
What does the Queen earn?
The Queen receives an annual net income of €746,000 from the State. She also receives an allowance to cover the costs of royal household and domestic staff and other official expenses, which include expenditure on the Royal Archives, office running costs and overheads.
The allocations for 2003 are:
Staff costs: €1,446,000
Other expenses: €1,774,000
total = 3,966,000 euro/year


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You are absolutely right, but to be honest this has nothing to do with the topic. Yes our queen is one of the richiest woman in the world and yes that money could be better of being spent in Africa (wisely, that is). But we are talking about the cons of the church and then the pope in general. W0tyou are doing now is, 'o others are doing it so i/they can do it to'. Thats not the right why to substaniate.
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actually it is fair, your comparing the expendatures of the catholic church saying that they didn't donate enough (because they did spend on africa) i will find that info when i can... but remember because their income is 1/3000'th of even a small country like the Netherlands, their expendatures should be reflected similiarly
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you cannot compare the vatican to a country nor a kingdom.
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but it is a country... it is it's own indipendantly ran monarchy(ish)... the pope is a the king of vatican city, the ceo(ish) of the catholic church AND the head of a religion

they make their own laws
they have their own currency
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They dont have to work with infrastructure, they dont have to do import/export/trading. All the do is pay, they dont have minum wages, etc, etc, etc.
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the "minimum" wage idea is "fairly" new... in the smallest country in the world, how much is a minimum wage needed?
they work within theinfrastructure they have...
they export religion :lol:, they have to import energy from Italy, it's been a soverign nation for centuries
what you have said does not make a nation, just an exporting and importing nation
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Im mearly saying a nation has got so much more tasks then the Vatican. I find the Vatican rather hypocryt (or how do you spell it 8) )
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please elaborate, i don't understand how they're hypocritical... the fact that they run an entire religion, host heads of states and religious leaders, visit the far ends of the earth, and much more, i don't see how they're hypocritical
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maarten144 wrote:Im mearly saying a nation has got so much more tasks then the Vatican. I find the Vatican rather hypocryt (or how do you spell it 8) )
A nation has no tasks, these "tasks" you are referring to are imposed by the Government.
Before you make irrational arguments maybe you should do a little research..."a community of people composed of one or more nationalities and possessing a more or less defined territory and government" (from Websters).
Do you notice how there's no mention of tasks? Hmmmmmmm...
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