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Should abortion be ILLEGAL
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No
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ericclemmons



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 3:56 pm    Post subject: And about the suction Reply with quote

Supposedly safe, eh?

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Suction aspiration, or "vacuum curettage," is the abortion technique used in most first trimester abortions.[9] A powerful suction tube with a sharp cutting edge is inserted into the womb through the dilated cervix. The suction dismembers the body of the developing baby and tears the placenta from the wall of the uterus, sucking blood, amniotic fluid, placental tissue, and fetal parts[10] into a collection bottle.[11]

Great care must be taken to prevent the uterus from being punctured during this procedure, which may cause hemorrhage and necessitate further surgery.[12] Also, infection can easily develop if any fetal or placental tissue is left behind in the uterus. This is the most frequent post-abortion complication.


But it's not living, right?

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Abortion ends a pregnancy by destroying and removing the developing child. That babyís heart has already begun to beat by the time the mother misses her period and begins to wonder if she might be pregnant (about 31 days after the motherís last menstrual period or LMP). [3] Surgical abortions are usually not performed before seven weeks, or 49 days LMP. [4] By that time, the baby has identifiable arms and legs (day 45)[5] and displays measurable brain waves (about 40 days).[6] During the seventh through the tenth weeks, when the majority of abortions are performed,[7] fingers and genitals appear and the childís face is recognizably human.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. do you have a phd in morality???
2. ethics are the root of morals...
3. i'd have second thoughts... but it is a choice... that's the important thing
here let me show this...
It is morrally wrong for child porn
Child porn happens more than ever because of the internet
Let's make it so you can't choose to use the internet for illigal activites
let's make the internet illigal
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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let's make the internet illigal



lol, ok then, no more wolf...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's one of the consequences... i'm for abortion even though there are negative consequences... so i'm also for the internet even though there are some negative consequences
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll say it again: Aguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics... Even if you win you're still a retard.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

* note i'm a specail olympian volunteer
my dad and brother are also special olympians
and my mom's on the board
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A tool that is fordged for good, but used for evil isn't to blame, but the one using the tool to craft the evil.

Child Porn is wrong, along with all pornography. Lust isn't not wholesome. It is wrong.

Premarital sex is wrong.

To understand anything, you need a foundation. the ONLY (!!!) foundation to life is the Bible. Sex, as you know, was made for procreation and as an expression of love between a husband & wife. Since the beginning of man, that's how it was.

If you want to argue otherwise, that means that you're calling the Word of God lies, so you're wrong in the first place.

If you want to win an arguement here, prove it with God's word. If you can't, then you might as well not speak.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eric, you are forgetting that we are talking to athesists! you cant bring God into this conversation. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm not an athiest...
secondly i don't believe the bible is the word of god... it was written by man, man has no way of knowing exactly what god wants...
i don't believe premaritial sex is immoral, but sex without love shouldn't be around... but it will. So unless you can come up with a point of your own you shouldn't argue it... don't just base your arguments on what someone told you god wants... that's called hearsay
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, the Bible states that the Holy Spirit put the words of God into men's hearts and directed them to write his words.

Remember, you're talking to people who believe in God, and the Bible..so you can't prove nada without it. Smile

What kind of foundation do you have for understanding?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok... firstly the internet wasn't created for good... it was created so that the united states could launch an attack with much more coordination... and remember no ordinary attack, they're talking about nuclear attacks... so again it should be illigal for anyone who argues against abortion, unless you call war and killing a good thing.. but then where's your argument
next, don't use the bible... only use things god has told you directly... not through someone else.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eric, our morals won't affect the decisions of pregnant women.

You think the abortions now are dangerous??? I suppose the illegal abortions provided by amateurs will be much safer? right?

The world will be much happier with illegal and un-supervised abortions than legal and professional abortions ofcourse!

So there may not be as many illegal abortions as legal ones in the event that abortion is made illegal, but I think the brutality will make up for that in it's own.

Not even your "god" can stop women from seeking abortions, so making it illegal won't help make the world a better place, it will just limit the options of women and result in twisted deaths.

Eric, because you believe in the bible, and I don't, does that make you superior to me? Because you limit your realm of possibility, because you refuse to consider things, all who think as open mindedly as I do are "wrong"?

Open your eyes eric, this is a serious issue, what we don't need right now is people regurgitating the word of the supposed "god". I assume once he put his word in the heart of men, he decided he wouldn't give us any more words so we could write a sequel? What reason do you have to believe in god eric, besides the fact that you are too weak to consider the possibility that there is none.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ph0g do you know what amateurs are?

People who dont make any money. Abortions cost money....

The point is, if you cant stop them, then atleast make it safe. It would work with marijuana.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that was a confusing reply
sorry 2 confusing replies
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe they don't make any money off it, maybe they do it for food, cuz their homeless, and they know how to kill babies, lol...well I think you all got the point.
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