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quad



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: Request for special licensing terms Reply with quote

Hello ETPro!

As you may know, I'm part of a team that has been working on a number of anti-cheat solutions for ET. These include CETPUB (anticheat ETPub, to be released in the near future) and a closed circuit tool for ETPro called Anti3 which was successfully used in World Cup 3v3.

Our attention is now directed to creating an anti-cheat wrapper for ETPro which would bring similar security to that in CETPUB. However, in order to distribute it a a standalone mod, we would need a copy of ETPro under special licensing terms. I hereby kindly ask you to provide us with a license to use ETPro that allows us to redistribute, use the software to create derivative work, modify and reverse engineer ETPro. I can explain privately the reasons behind each request. Of course, we would make it clear that it is ETPro we're redistributing, and we'd include all needed copyright notices.

I hope you will agree with our request.
Kind regards,
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bani i know will not give out the code, especially not to redistribute
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gotenks wrote:
bani i know will not give out the code, especially not to redistribute

We're not asking the source code, but for the ETPro binary under special licensing terms. And nothing needs to be changed, just our copy should include a license.txt that specifically grants us the above stated permissions. Since no license is included with the software, by default we do not have the legal right to do what we need.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you might offer him a new Mac to do 3.2.6 binaries on
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds nice and all, but why should etpro devs or the community trust you?

not a flame, just curious.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess there are three points I should be making in response to your question:

Why not? I believe we proved we want to do this with Anti3 and CETPUB. Is there anything to lose? Since we're not asking for source code, you wouldn't be sharing any trade secrets with us. Plus both me and chaplja have showed we are trustworthy (at least to some), having contributed various stuff for the general wellbeing of ET (World Cup 3v3, resurrecting ETPub, Moviemaker's hack, misc anti-cheat actions, advice, etc). I think even the fact we're asking for a license when many people told us to just do it says something...

Considering the potential outcome of this action, I think it's worth the risk. (What risk?)

We have the support of the community. Actually, they have created a petition themselves to back us up.
http://www.crossfire.nu/?x=news&mode=item&id=3064
http://www.petitiononline.com/etpro911/petition.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

quad wrote:
I think even the fact we're asking for a license when many people told us to just do it says something...
I think this itself shows alot of integrity, which I personally respect greatly
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'd prefer to see the code tbh. that would prove to me trustworthiness more than anything else. it would also prove to me you know what you're doing. Smile

i'd certainly want to have some kind of examination of the code before i'd license something that would be a redistributed derivative work. the blame would come right back at us if anti3 turned out to be a problem (crashes, false positives, backdoors, etc) because we allowed it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see a problem in that.
However, how do we contact you privately?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suggest forum-PM Wink
Or IRC #etpro @ freenode
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

quad wrote:
Plus both me and chaplja have showed we are trustworthy (at least to some), having contributed various stuff for the general wellbeing of ET (World Cup 3v3, resurrecting ETPub, Moviemaker's hack, misc anti-cheat actions, advice, etc).


Chaplja of course also hosted cheats and articles describing how to write your own on his site even after this anti-cheat project started. I personally would never install anything executable which he contributes to unless it's open source or vouched for by someone like bani, but that's just me. Smile

Just to put all cards on the table, not a flame. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All cards on the table, but when Chaplja joined the project, he broke all the connections between him/his site and cheats, and he removed all cheat-related files and articles from his server.

Moreover, I believe almost everybody knows his past. There are other examples in history of bad guys switching over to the good side. And it seems like our tool will be peer-reviewed by bani, so you have no reason to worry.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a known fact that many police specialists that are helping to catch hackers etc. were also just like them in the past... aren't they experienced more? So ^^ Let bani see the code and if it's fine then release it Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really nice news! Hopefully this project happens!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice, eventually smth is moving forward with etpro!
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