r_wolffog and r_zfar

Dersaidin · Post by **Dersaidin** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:48 pm

I only used Stalingrad to test if the fog distance and default r_zfar distance changed per map. Stalingrad was the next foggy map I thought of.

I think that
command "forcecvar r_wolffog 0"
command "sv_cvar r_zfar EQ 0"
would be good, because its a large boost in fps in exchange for what? Game doesnt look as good? Well, personally I think it looks better, and almost everyone tweaks the graphics down to look realy bad anyway.

McNite · Post by **McNite** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:26 am

because its a large boost in fps

That totally depends on the map, the place you are in in the map, and your computer. Some testing on radar gave us only improvements of 7 to 15 fps, and that s nothing.
And using stalingrad as an example for testing is really... a bit funny. Why not use Radar? Or Railgun? They r well mapped at least.

The Necromancer · Post by **The Necromancer** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:23 pm

Dersaidin wrote: command "forcecvar r_wolffog 0"
command "sv_cvar r_zfar EQ 0"

= \disconnect

EagleReloaded · Post by **EagleReloaded** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:59 pm

7-15 fps is nothing?

dA*Rogue · Post by **dA*Rogue** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:49 pm

Giving original FPS when talking about FPS increase makes the numbers worth looking at.

7-15 FPS is massive if you're currently sitting on ~45 FPS - it's around 25%, and will make an impact.

The same FPS increase if you're sitting on ~ 120 is only around 10%, and the gameplay difference'd be negligible.

gotenks · Post by **gotenks** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:09 pm

dA*Rogue wrote:Giving original FPS when talking about FPS increase makes the numbers worth looking at.

7-15 FPS is massive if you're currently sitting on ~45 FPS - it's around 25%, and will make an impact.

The same FPS increase if you're sitting on ~ 120 is only around 10%, and the gameplay difference'd be negligible.

unless your about 10fps under one of the magic numbers

Spoofeh · Post by **Spoofeh** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:32 pm

Some of the FPS differences reported are based on timedemos, so they will be smaller when actually playing. Besides, increasing average FPS by 15 does not mean that minimum FPS (which is more important) is increased at all.

ReyalP · Post by **ReyalP** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:48 am

OTOH, r_wolffog does have a big impact, especially on low end cards.

ISTR when I had a gf2, it gave me about 50% more in the worst areas of radar

edit:
that is in game too, not timedemo.

dA*Rogue · Post by **dA*Rogue** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:04 am

gotenks wrote:
dA*Rogue wrote:Giving original FPS when talking about FPS increase makes the numbers worth looking at.

7-15 FPS is massive if you're currently sitting on ~45 FPS - it's around 25%, and will make an impact.

The same FPS increase if you're sitting on ~ 120 is only around 10%, and the gameplay difference'd be negligible.
unless your about 10fps under one of the magic numbers

Why do the magic numbers effect anything? They don't impact jumping etc anymore...

Dersaidin · Post by **Dersaidin** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:13 am

They're still magical

But magic or no (aww), as everyone has said, 10 - 15 fps can make a difference. Especialy to low end cards.

Why not use Radar?

I did use radar.
I only used stalingrad to see if r_zfar changes per map. It does.

McNite · Post by **McNite** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:12 am

to see if r_zfar changes per map. It does.

Of course it does... its built into the map?

hiro · Post by **hiro** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:26 pm

It strikes me as a bit odd that at this point in the game's life cycle there is suddenly much concern for low end users.

Did I miss something and now everyone downgrades their pc rather than upgrades?

ouroboro · Post by **ouroboro** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:35 pm

bottom line: fog serves no purpose other than to beautify maps which are made ugly by most users anyway.

@mappers: release plenty of screenshots of your map with full eye-candy, because that's likely the only time most players will see it as you intended.

this harsh lesson brought to you by Players For The Ethical Treatment Of Framerates.

deej · Post by **deej** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:39 am

ouroboro wrote:this harsh lesson brought to you by Players For The Ethical Treatment Of Framerates.

The Players For Maximum Eyecandy oppose this lesson and dismiss it as pure propaganda

ouroboro · Post by **ouroboro** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:25 am

deej wrote:
ouroboro wrote:this harsh lesson brought to you by Players For The Ethical Treatment Of Framerates.

The Players For Maximum Eyecandy oppose this lesson and dismiss it as pure propaganda

hehe