Remove skill levels for tournament stopwatch

eagle_be_ · Post by **eagle_be_** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 11:49 am

dA*Rogue wrote:Competitions can tweak XP levels as they see fit.

the prob = one comp wont tweak it unless the rest does it too, ..

so if banni would force it everybody would be happy ^^

dA*Rogue · Post by **dA*Rogue** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 7:16 pm

eagle_be_ wrote:
dA*Rogue wrote:Competitions can tweak XP levels as they see fit.
the prob = one comp wont tweak it unless the rest does it too, ..

so if banni would force it everybody would be happy ^^

Surely a competition will lock or tweak XP as they see fit. Server admins already tweak XP needed to get to x level for different classes, so why wouldn't competitions?

I wouldn't be happy if there was anXP setting imposed on my competition.

Worst reasoning ever eagle_be_.

eagle_be_ · Post by **eagle_be_** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 11:03 am

dA*Rogue wrote:Worst reasoning ever eagle_be_.

lol, it wasnt a reasoning, thats just the way it is, as sad as it might be

Spark2 · Post by **Spark2** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 9:39 pm

I think the vote shows pretty clearly that there would be an audience for a no-XP league. Admins, are you listening?

Bedrock · Post by **Bedrock** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:36 am

So, then have the leagues make one.

dA*Rogue · Post by **dA*Rogue** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:36 pm

It's not the way it is eagle_be.

Comps over where I am have already talked about implementing XP changes/have implemented XP changes...

cyrus · Post by **cyrus** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:44 am

AceAlive wrote:take the skill levels completely away
it`s great for public but not for tournament stopwatch

we might as well play RTCW...

Kendle · Post by **Kendle** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:04 am

cyrus wrote:
AceAlive wrote:take the skill levels completely away
it`s great for public but not for tournament stopwatch
we might as well play RTCW...

Because of course RTCW had Covert Ops, Smoke, Disgiuses, Satchell Charges, Mortars, Mobile MG42s, Landmines, Constructibles etc.

Oh no, wait, it didn't!!

ET without XP is simply ET without XP. It is NOT RTCW. Lamest arguement ever for retaining XP in competiton.

gotenks · Post by **gotenks** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:44 am

Kendle wrote:Because of course RTCW had Covert Ops, Smoke, Disgiuses, Satchell Charges, Mortars, Mobile MG42s, Landmines, Constructibles etc.

Oh no, wait, it didn't!!

Covert Ops=spy
Smoke=scout
Disgiuses=spy
Mobile MG42s=engineer
Landmines=engineer
bani had all of that

ET without XP is simply ET without XP. It is NOT RTCW. Lamest arguement ever for retaining XP in competiton.

i think retaining xp should stay but i don't think it will turn it into rtcw, but it takes away the heart of ET. IMHO

Kendle · Post by **Kendle** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:50 am

gotenks wrote:
Kendle wrote:Because of course RTCW had Covert Ops, Smoke, Disgiuses, Satchell Charges, Mortars, Mobile MG42s, Landmines, Constructibles etc.

Oh no, wait, it didn't!!
Covert Ops=spy
Smoke=scout
Disgiuses=spy
Mobile MG42s=engineer
Landmines=engineer
bani had all of that

But Banimod was never played in competition. Competitive RTCW never had these things, competitive ET does. I wish people would stop using this lame argument and/or read the thread properly and understand we're talking about competitive gaming here, not pubs.

gotenks · Post by **gotenks** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:56 am

gotenks wrote: i think retaining xp should stay but i don't think it will turn it into rtcw, but it takes away the heart of ET. IMHO

note that i didn't use that as my argument... i was just stating

I know we are talking about conpetition, i would want the xp in competition. I think primarily this decision should fall to the ladders indipendantly. the more favored ideal will win that way (noone will compete if they don't like the way it's organised.

Kendle · Post by **Kendle** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:03 am

Yeah I know, I wasn't having a dig Gotenks, it's just the guy I quoted, cyrus, joins this forum just to make the oft repeated but completely invalid claim that removing XP from ET magically turns it into RTCW. It doesn't.

The argument against XP is that in stopwatch competiton it favours defence. The problem with this is that stopwatch competition requires times to be set, so the game need to favour offense. Removing XP will go some way to making ET playable competitively.

hiro · Post by **hiro** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:01 pm

in my experience xp is a distraction in comp games. I'd rather be shooting the enemy than spamming ammo packs for medics so I can level up and have even more ammo to spam to them

I love gaining XP in campaigns, it can be a lot of fun and in this context is is an important part of the game. But I think it is irrelevant in competitive SW matches as I feel it takes something away from the competitive element.

Post by **bani** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:00 am

maybe one of the leagues can just setup a ladder with disabled skill levels, for those who want to play it that way. the vote shows it wont be going into etpro default though.

Kendle · Post by **Kendle** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:39 am

There's going to be a Euro tourney starting in Feb which will be using limited XP (fixed at certain levels for certain skills). It's being hosted by Jolt (UK No.1 gaming ISP) and run by Shakes (top Euro player with Amnesia). I'm going to be an Admin as well, so should be fun.

Hopefully we'll have lots of feedback as to the difference limited XP makes.

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